In this episode of Data Driven, Frank and Andy catch up with Brent Ozar and have a laugh or two at Silverlight’s expense, NoLock, and playing country music backwards.
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Season 3 opened with John Lee Dumas aka JLD ([01:30])
Data Soup Summit ([02:00])
Introducting Brent Ozar ([05:00])
“Get out there!” – Brent Ozar ([08:30])
Data work pays better. ([13:45])
Brent started in hotel management ([15:00])
Data is the new oil… but we should avoid spills. ([16:15])
“The job is getting harder, not easier.” ([18:30])
The “Aha” moment and ER analogy. ([21:30])
Brent’s quote voice… ([22:00])
Brent’s “Bad News Doctor” voice ([22:45])
Andy throws NoLock under the bus. Brent helps. ([23:12])
On shrinking databases… ([24:30])
Name-drop: Buck Woody ([28:30])
Name-drop: Scott Hanselman ([29:00])
Ballerina Princess ([32:20])
Brent likes to travel. ([34:45])
“No one comes to me for a good time…” ([36:20])
The data is the choke-point. Again. ([38:30])
On Google Glass ([39:45])
On Past Brent… ([41:00])
Name-drop: Brian Kelley ([41:30])
“We’re published. It’s a license to spell.” ([42:10])
Book Reference: Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom ([43:45])
Social Radar ([44:45])
Regarding iTunes… ([45:00])
Brent is into restaurants. ([46:45])
Andy’s Brent Story… ([48:15])
Brent is here to help. ([50:00])
On paying it forward… ([51:30])
“This looks like an engineer built it” is not a compliment. ([52:30])
Learn more about Brent at BrentOzar.com ([53:00])
A Guide to the Good Life by William B. Irvine ([54:30])
Every Tool’s a Hammer by Adam Savage (@donttrythis)([55:30])
Titan by Ron Chernow ([58:40])
Regarding Midgely… ([1:00:00])
Brent’s Epic Life Quest ([1:02:00])
WordPress Plugins I Use to Sell Training Classes ([1:02:30])
Frank’s New Year starts 1 Nov. ([1:03:15])
Sometimes life resembles a country music song… ([1:04:00])
Frank wrote a book about Silverlight. ([1:05:15])
One day there will be a country song about a self-driving pickup leaving… ([1:06:10])
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me as ever on this epic road trip down the
Can I fill us up with more data cliches Andy
How you doing? I’m doing great Frank?
How are you? I’m doing alright?
I’m doing alright so you had a birthday last week?
Thank you yes? Yes, I made another trip around the
Yeah, yeah, you know statistics show that the more birthdays.
You have the longer you live that you know,
I wonder. Though if it’s one of those false.
Corollary’s just just not sure is that false positive.
I don’t know. I think it’s a useless correlation.
I was looking for how describing the same thing just
in different terms.
That’s true. We’ve sound smart when we throw these words
I need all the help I can get sound in
I’m just saying so last week.
We had the jihadis show kicking off season 3.
Let’s see 02 of season 3 and.
We’ve had a lot of good feedback with that JLD
himself actually treated the.
The episode. Lydia Oh wow,
I was super excited with to hear that.
We also announced speaking of super excited.
I’m doing a play on super we announced the data
Soup Summit and so that’s a virtual summit that were
put together data soupsummit.com if I’m correct and coming up
in. We’re recording this on the 29th of July 2019
and it’s coming up in just under 16 days interesting
Now we’re having people record their sessions an it’s for
a couple reasons.
One is it’s the middle of the night in some
of the places where the authors live so the presenters
will be probably be asleep when we’re playing their recording,
but we’re setting up forms and stuff like that,
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I would say totally totally speaking of funny correlation?
Or redundant correlations, maybe that’s that’s the phrase,
We’re looking for but I think one of the one
of the key advantages here people like well?
Why are you doing a virtual summit one we can
kind of recruit talent from around the world and we
can do it now as opposed to some distant point
in future when if we do hit the Lotto or
Well, you now we talked about this.
A little bit. Indiana first show last week when we
did organizing it was a lot of that was coordinating
when people were available and.
And that sort of stuff and you’re competing nowadays in
you know against all of these other events that are
out there in the calendar.
Just keeps growing with all of these events that people
want to attend that we can have folks record their
We can play it back and then jump in the
middle and do commentary and what have you and then
we can actually compile those recordings and people can at
a later date sign up and listen to the recording
so there’s a lot to like about this.
I think it solves a couple of particularly nasty organizational
And I love it and I love our guest if
you go today to seesummit.com you can see the people
that are speaking in this first one.
There always is in my opinion,
so looking forward to doing more of these we haven’t
talked about our future plans for these much.
But we’re going to talk about those after we get
through with this one that’s right.
We want to get the first one.
The result and kind of see how it goes.
We are using somebody elses software as a solution platform?
Which. It’s always easier to find the flaws and somebody
else is software,
it necessary. It’s almost like that’s a universal pattern of
I don’t know splinters and planks and all that.
But with that. Let’s get onto our guest ’cause.
I hear he’s a pretty awesome guy.
I’ve heard his name come up quite a bit with
You’ve done and some other places always in respectful tones
With that out, there just engaged.
I’ll send you send you that dollar by PayPal.
Later, you work with them more closely want you do
the intro Andy.
Well, I’m not totally wing.
This introduction our guest today from sunny San Diego.
California is Brent Ozar and I consider Brenda Friend.
No matter what he says about Maine.
We met actually we met on Twitter and I want
to say it was 2007.
Something like that, and around 2008 or 9.
I landed in Seattle for a pass summit aunt,
we did. I think I actually used my phone it
may be the first week.
I sent on my phone had said you know,
I’m at the airport is anybody want to share a
ride or something like that,
and Brett comes back and says.
Hey, I gotta car. I’ll come get back.
We pick me up and we rode from the Seatac
How to great conversation. If I remember right you will
find this ironic people who follow both their blogs.
These days at the time.
Brent was just getting started with this blog and he
was actually picking my brain for ideas.
That’s ironic now ’cause Brent is he’s a master of
marketing through and Anna Master or Microsoft.
Certified Master SQL DBA. He was an MVP I think
you stepped away from the Microsoft MVP program.
Yeah. I did that and then I jump back in
so but great guy brentozar.com.
ZAR is those are if you don’t know who Brent
is he’s he’s very popular in our community.
Great Speaker One and in Japan,
too great. Great speaker, handsome fella helper of folks with
database problems walk with the shell.
Brett I gotta cut us where you really get into
trouble and so we’re going to regret.
Well, thank thank God it is totally a pleasure to
hear thanks guys.
It’s funny hearing that big long winded introduction.
I’m like OK now seriously.
There are people who are important and worthy of that.
I am not well. You’ve got engineers to season.
I tell people that all the time is same way.
It’s like we think the stuff we know is worth
very little and stuff.
Others know that we don’t know well.
That’s like millions and it’s just a hard thing,
but you have done an awful lot you sold out.
Pass Summit Pre Conference sessions,
yet and presented all over the world.
The marketing is not to be not to be besmirched.
That’s that’s really important an I am I cannot snatch
the Pebble from your hands.
I did might I think when I talk to so
many people about what you’re going to do for your
career and what your long term perspectives look like the
thing I can’t say enough to people is that you
already know enough technically you have enough technical knowledge to
get the job done for a long time in your
career. It’s that not enough.
Other people know you know that more people.
No need to know what you know you need to
get out there on the blogs social media whatever in
order to say.
Here’s the stuff that good at but Frank about here
are the areas where I don’t have expertise yet.
But if you want to pay me,
I’ll go learn those things.
But these are the little areas where I presented expertise
on and if you want to save time you can
hire me and avoid the same burn marks that I’ve
Yeah, absolutely I think that’s that’s the marketing pieces.
What makes careers so much more stronger.
The difference between y’all sitting out there on the other
side of the podcast those of you who are hearing.
The difference that it’s going to make to get on
to the other side of the microphone to become podcast
guests to start sharing your knowledge,
a user groups. That’s when your career really hits the
gas it’s bananas.
Now that’s absolutely true, I can speak from personal experience
is that the more you share the more you get
and you know it’s just we’ve gotten a lot of
we put a lot into the podcast.
But I think we’ve got a lot more out of
then we put in its especially so important.
In this day and age where tools are changing continuously
techniques are changing continuously and it’s so easy to sit
on the sidelines and go well.
Everything I’m learning is just via googling.
That same as everybody else out here,
we’re all learning this stuff and building the tools as
fast as we can.
Is that all you have to do is jump in
take the plunge and start giving back to people all
it just makes a huge difference.
Absolutely and people shouldn’t think that you know just because
somebody’s else is already doing it that they shouldn’t try
Because you’re going to bring your own unique voice right
so one of the things that I’d like to point
out is that?
Podcasting’s been around since at least 20042 thousand 5.
Yeah, there’s a number of podcasters that have started you
know as recently as 23 years ago and I’ve had
You know if you look at John Lee Dumas right
like I forget what he makes like 100 thousand dollars
a month or something like that.
On this podcast or whatever and he only started in
This is not there is not so much,
saying such thing as being kind of too late for
It’s just like musicians or poets or artists or anything
Why would I write a love song in the year
Everybody’s already covered love extensively.
You know it’s it’s all about what you bring to
and how you can bring things to life that sooner.
There’s going to be somebody who’s waiting to hear the
way you’re going to bring it to life.
That’s going to be different.
Now we are not by any means,
saying that you should go start podcasting about love,
but you know in terms of data or development or
anything like that.
The market is wide freaking open get out there and
share what you know,
so, so true. And you’ve encouraged a lot of people
through your blog Brent to begin blogging you’ve gone beyond
at times. You’ve I remember your week of starting a
I still send people to that series and it was
written years ago,
but it’s still relevant and it’s just really good advice.
Thanks, it’s tough for us his data people too because
I like I’m so for background on me.
I got started in development when into systems administration,
then gradually segued into database administrator.
When you’re a data person and you’re looking at like
Analytics of the people who are reading.
You and it’s 0000 for 6 months that disheartening but
you just remember sooner or later.
You’re going to help people in those numbers are going
to start becoming larger.
It’s just like starting a company or anything else starting
The numbers were tiny when you started your career in
you’re like, Oh my God.
Can’t believe I’m actually getting paid to do this and
then generally overtime.
Later, it starts. It’s not just about numbers.
It’s also I think it’s just the weirdest things like
I would write about how to do HTTP posts like
screen scraping and you WP apps and then somebody would
come up to me like I read your post.
It was awesome. I’m like OK like wow.
So somebody other than my mom read it.
If you always took my thumb.
I thought initially when people would start saying there is.
Like why didn’t you leave a comment?
Why did he tell me what ’cause I’ve been working
here in the dark hunched over a dark keyboard with
no one around and then gradually just it takes a
really long time before people are willing to come up
and say thank you.
You said the same thing that I needed to hear
You know that you were the decoder ring that help
me figure out this hard problem that I was facing
It just working in blogging and presenting just feels like
it takes forever.
It’s it’s a little bit better when you do a
user group presentation and you can see the lights go
on and people’s eyes when I can stand up about
how to here’s how the engine works.
Here’s how to make your queries go faster.
She decided to reporting in production.
Whatever and you see lights go on and doing it.
Of course, you can’t see me doing it.
But I’m picking up a pen when you see people
pick up a pen oh.
It’s that Eureka moment of I did something that they
want or I said something they want to write down
Oh my gosh.
That’s the best feeling around?
Absolutely. Absolutely what you mentioned Brent kind of the answer
to our first question.
I’m not trying to jump into the questions ahead of
but you mentioned coming into data from developer and then
They have that II can’t I came in today to
’cause I was looking for money and it sounds so
it’s not politically correct to say that you know.
Hey, like I was trying to get paid more money.
But when you’re working you’re just getting started in your
I came out of high school and dropped out of
I had no idea what I wanted to do when
I grew up.
But my grandpa on my mom side retired at like
I had a construction business sold it.
And so my only memories of Grampa on mom side
was just looking at him.
Playing golf him and his wife just playing golf.
All the time, drinking beer and like that lifestyle that
sure looks attractive to me.
How do I figure out how to do something like
that lifestyle and but I never want to run a
I never I just didn’t see myself as that kind
of person and then at the same time.
My Grampa on my dad side died within a year
of retiring you retired started chasing his dreams and died.
Heart attack and so it really set as I’m growing
out of high school and going off on a college.
I’m like OK, so there’s a time limit on life.
I gotta kind of hustle and I don’t want to
take it for granted.
I want to be able to make enough money that
I can spend as much time with my loved ones
So, whenever I was working originally got started in hotels
work my way.
Up to hotel manager and then started working with regional
managers because everybody wanted to focus on the budgets.
How much are we spending on breakfast?
How much are we spending with soap,
whatever, so we were doing the budgets back in Lotus
123 in quattro pro.
So they wanted to centralise that and they wanted one
quattro pro spreadsheet that would have all the hotels budgets
So I’m like OK. I think I can do that.
And I would play around with that and then later
ended up having a database involved an access database,
then next thing you know it was SQL server.
And so it was always going through Mycareer,
who gets paid the most in the room and how
can I make them happy?
And the people who get paid the most in the
usually have some kind of business value that they need
to extract that they’re trying to figure out how to
make the company more money?
How to sell more products.
I look at their cost whatever it is.
And there was always data,
it was always right there and it was.
I never sat down and said,
OK, seems like there’s data in common here,
but not just I kept gradually gravitated towards whatever was
most expensive concern for the data and it’s freaking always
it’s always data. There was how can it’s how can
we make it more reliable?
How can we make it faster?
How can we make more money out of it and
it’s also you also say data is the new oil
that has a 2 sided coin to it.
It’s also toxic dynamics right.
You can’t have a spill spills or not good.
Leakage is not good. You don’t want to let people
get free access to your oil so there are all
kinds of other interesting connotations with that as well that
are always a concern for the business.
The oil has to keep flowing you know,
we can’t have any kind of accident happen around it.
So it’s a really fun and interesting place to be.
I definitely didn’t go looking for it.
In particular, but as I just kept went and going
to look and be how Mike and how can I
be more valuable it always ended up being data interesting?
I also like the idea that I think that’s a
good analogy for breach.
You know it’s kind of an oil spill and you’re
It is at his very toxic.
There’s environmental damage because your consumers are immediately concerned and
where did the oil go who has access to it.
There’s going to be harmed on because it’s going to
be used inappropriately so it’s very it’s an interesting commodity
to have to deal with,
and people get nervous when you talk about that,
too like OK who all has access to the data
do you know where it went have you seen where
copies of it went get sketchy right right and it’s
I mean, it can hurt a brand for years I
mean look at Equifax Equifax,
British petroleum. I mean, all those mean crossover right there,
I flipped on the on the analogy there.
You know like from Equifax,
which is actually data data,
which is oil not necessarily yeah.
Yeah, I need a minute.
We had a breach about our data about the oil
spill live on so it’s just a matter of time.
I think for that actually happens if it hasn’t already.
God yeah, it’s It’s just that’s no but at the
it is. This is where the value is.
It’s always wherever the biggest risk is wherever the biggest
reward is an I think for probably the last [10:15]
It’s been data and I don’t see that changing going
I know that there are people who go database.
Administration is dead and I’m like I think there’s always
going to be a high market for people who manage
the oil that manage the safety of at the speed
of it. The security of it that’s the data.
Is getting larger less manageable an more important with every
passing year it the job is getting harder not easier
and it’s I think it’s even more rewarding.
I think that’s true. You talk to a lot of
people who are kind of Dbas and they used to
on premise data stores.
And I think the cloud frightens them,
they’ll never admit that but I mean.
You could see beer fear in people’s eyes and I
think that it.
Uh. I think people. Realize that think they think they
come from a place of a scarcity mindset.
If you will and the idea is that data is
getting larger and larger and what their task with to
manage is going to be so large that they’re not
going to want to deal with hard drive swaps in
the middle of the night or take batteries right.
They want to you can off source that to a
cloud provider an you can multiply what you’re able to
do because you’re going to have to be your leadership
your management is telling you need to do more.
And they’re not going to hire more people cloud is
really going to be your friend not your enemy.
It’s always funny to me people will come to me
as we’re talking about either client problems or training class
stuff for conferences and people say things like well.
I’ve got this big database and they always say it
with a straight face.
I have this big database like.
No, you know in the day and age of the
You really don’t compared to what’s out there at a
lot of other shops.
It’s probably not that large before the rest of your
life as long as you’re going to be working in
You’re always going to be facing a bigger database.
Then you’ve seen before because your skills are going to
grow your company is going to put more stuff inside
Everybody wants to store things and.
Erases all the time so that the thing that you’re
up against is always going to get larger and larger
until you accidentally drop a server or something then you’re
going to get fired and then you’re going to have
to step back for a little.
While maybe take a smaller job for smaller databases.
But then you’re going to step right back to bigger
It’s always going to look terrifying and impressive but there
are almost always somebody out there with a much larger
problem that they’re going in solving.
And so, if you if you want to see where
the future is going all often look at people say
OK So what the biggest databases out there do you
think they are running this stuff on bare metal today
or what do you think that that looks like if
you want to get to 50 terabytes 100 terabytes a
thousand terabytes a petabyte. Whatever you have to look forward
at what other people are doing and those are usually
the skills that you want to go and acquire.
Absolutely well, Brent I want to ask you and I
know some of these questions and we sent you these
ahead of time.
Some of these are very pregnant like next one?
What’s your favorite part of your current job.
Oh, so my favorite part is the ahha moment when
we get the database out of the way usually when
the people come to me,
So what I’m kind of like an emergency room surgeon
for SQL server.
People come to me because they’re covered in blood.
There screaming everywhere. Nobody can sell anything,
and so customers are starting to notice.
They’re like, what can we do to get this problem
to go away and so when I can do a
few a minimum amount of things I consider myself a
failure. If I have to tell somebody to change their
Change the way they do business what’s the fewest things
that I can change in order all of a sudden
get that out of the way and the people go
Oh thank God we can just get back to shipping
’cause that’s all like when I was a DBA all
I cared about was like Oh,
you should do everything perfectly.
Everything should be flawless carved in stone,
you know diamond quality. But you get on the real
world and it’s like you know can.
We just keep shipping things can.
We just get to the point where the thing performs
fast enough and we can keep selling product to make
our end users happy so it’s my favorite moment of
my job. When I can say watch this and I
can turn one switch and all of a sudden things
In kind of my corollary that my least favorite part
of my job is,
when I have to say.
OK, here, we need avatar people were going to have
a talk you’re not going to be able to keep
this way. You know there.
There is a change. You have to make and that’s
I would always rather give somebody the Magic switch,
then tell him I have some bad news for you,
Mr. You’ve decided to do something incredibly stupid on the
database is not going to work you mean never lost
won’t fix everything.
Oh, I have that court conversation at least twice a
week at least twice a week.
It’s so unreal. I just before this can’t gotta call.
I was actually talking with a customer who said,
I need to move data for my transactional system over
to my data warehouse you said.
We had this call. I’m starting to lean towards no
I forgot about this on the Internet and I’m like
this is always tough for me to say as a
preferred performance tuner look no lock works as long as
you’re OK with random results.
And it sounds like I’m pulling your leg,
but there are systems where random results are fine.
You know the classic examples data warehouses look if you’re
executives are looking at a report.
It doesn’t matter where the numbers are accurate or not.
Your executives are making bad decisions.
You could present them with a wall full of random
they will still make the same bad decisions.
No lock is great. There makes perfect sense.
But if you’re trying to show me my cat pictures.
I can’t have no lock.
I need exact quantities online.
How to change no playing around I better not miss
a cat picture?
And then they all laugh when they go wait a
We’re using no lock on our data warehouses and I’m
That’s what you’re saying about your executive that’s so true.
Then you’re right, though I mean,
like everything. There’s a time and place for it,
but that’s where they are trying to comes in to
the art and science of doing some of this stuff
and there’s a whole number of analysis.
You need to do, I think before you before you
realize where you can get away with things like that?
Where you can. It is I remember having a conversation
Mutual friend but buddy we were talking about you know
the perils of shrinking your database and I totally get
You know, I don’t understand it as well as you
and Buck deer,
but I get it. And I asked Buck straight up.
I’m like why don’t you just take it out?
It’s you work for Microsoft book you talk to the
SQL server people?
Why not just make it no longer an option to
shrink a database and he said.
There are times when it’s the it’s the magic beans.
Yeah, no luck is innolux a great example that there
are times when it’s OK.
If the data isn’t razor sharp accurate.
You know if you just need account of our transactions
moving through the system ’cause sometimes.
That’s all you want to know.
I noticed I taught for me is an ETL guy.
I’ll throw no lighter is reference because the data is.
It changes so infrequently. The odds of me,
catching it in the middle are astronomical.
So it has to do things like that,
and I could throw up volatility is stuff like that?
How often is the data changing if we’re doing transactional
type data were moving general ledgers stuff like that no
Yeah, yeah, and if it’s stuff that there were no
one’s life is at stake.
You know if lives aren’t is Diego getting somebody’s medications
that you kind of need some precision accuracy.
We’re getting some of the medications lives aren’t fake then
I tend to be a little bit more.
Flexible is like a whole nurse equal crowd when no
SQL caught on and people are trying to do all
these things with eventual consistency.
I’m all for it. There are a lot of things
that don’t belong in a relation TLE database.
You and in this into this phrase Day and age.
There’s so many tools out there that are so good
at handling big data.
Using the right tool for the right problem is really
Totally agree. Right absolutely and I think So.
What are your thoughts on no SQL or things like
the kind of the new wave of things like cosmos
DB and kind of how that works.
Oh, I love it. There’s so many occasions,
where someone will say. I really want to do blank
and I’m like oh that’s great.
That’s not what SQL servers for you know it.
Does the job it’s just not?
What is for cosmos DB the whole global transactional thing
that if you want to be able to write to
multiple Masters in different places around the globe can SQL
server do it. Yes, if you build a solution out
of duct tape chitosan old 45 records or something.
Yeah, you can kind of sketch your way into that,
but it’s not an appropriate solution for if you have
that exact permanent.
Problem and you’re trying to build a new solution for
it in the year 2019.
In the year 2019 that’s what other platforms like Cosmos.
DB R Fort do they have drawbacks?
Yes. Are they expensive they can be soak in SQL
You know, I like to add a orab.
Adam savages new book, every tools.
A hammer where he talks about how you can use
different tools to accomplish different objectives.
But you just don’t want to use every tool is
a hammer all the time you don’t want to think
of SQL server as the hammer that you use all
the time there are other platforms that are great.
Go learn how to use those other platforms,
too, especially in the cloud where you can rent.
Some of these platforms by the hour by all means
go go spend $20 learning.
Some other system and how it works.
That’s 1 of the most powerful things.
I think about the cloud is is we’ve got this
new this new access.
We can spend one and something that we just didn’t
have before you been around long enough to know this
certainly Frank and I have where in the day back
in the day if you wanted to stand up a
Well, it began with a trip down to you know
the compu store or something you know it usually that
was Friday at lunch.
You took off. You went down there with the company
You bought a box of parts right?
Yes, yes, yeah now. It’s like I heard.
I heard his name flew out of my head Scott?
What is Scott’s last name?
Hanselman, I heard dancing with a few a few years
ago at a code stock doing a keynote there and
he’s some of the younger people on his team were
spending up something in Azure like spending up a new
VM and they were like this is taking minutes like
it off my lawn.
You have so much power at your fingertips.
I would never want to be young again like,
I don’t ever want to rewind the clock.
But if you’re graduating from college in the year 2019.
It’s like a compsci degree you have so many cool
options that you’re at your fingertips.
You can build a global company.
It just at the drop of a hat now you’re
going to need a credit card in order to spin
up and get started.
But the balance on that credit card can be pretty
doggone small to still get you to profitability,
whereas back in our days you know you would have
been able to find a credit card big enough to
read yourself a data center or put a computer in
somewhere at that point, you’re talking to venture capitalists.
Not a card, yeah, yeah,
it’s amazing how powerful that you can be with the
Today I’m also glad that we got we,
as those of us on with microphones at the moment
as opposed to headphones.
But those of us who got started early enough that
we could see the cloud coming and see like I
remember how bad it used to be and how it’s
still not great today. There are a lot of problems
with it today.
You know everything changes every 6 months of documentations always
out of data sample code doesn’t work.
It’s not there yet. But like it gives me so
much hope for how things are going to be in
20 years. I can see that we lived in a
really cool point in time.
I had the same feeling about privacy,
though, too, at the same point like II’m glad that
I grew up at a point where I had privacy
growing up and today I just don’t think that that’s
reasonable to expect anymore. I don’t think between the ways
that people sell their data for free or make these
tradeoffs without understanding what they’re trading off that 20 years
from now. There is going to be really set of
interesting privacy discussions around people understanding that everything that they
Did now is owned by corporations in one way or
It’s just pros and cons I like.
Recommendation engines as much as the next person,
so well. You know you say that and that’s 1
of the things that?
I kind of felt is gone is my personal expectation
I just yes. Do I pop off every now and
then on social media?
No. But yes, I do.
But it’s no longer but I no longer have the
expectation that it’s going to be going to work like
I think it should work I posted this a little
earlier. Today I said, You know,
I need a switch that says works like Andy thinks
It’s just nothing works that way.
Those days or are you know it’s not that they’re
They really never were here.
But the velocity now with which our private thoughts or
what we would.
Maybe not want to be public get out there.
It’s just don’t expect that an realize that my youngest
daughter does dance and we had a video come up
Facebook knows me way better than I know myself.
Add a video came out like to 8 years ago
of her dance and you know as a ballerina.
Princess and why, why oh it’s a beautiful video very
here and I’ll put a link to it,
and show notes and she talking to Christy about it
and I said,
You know her grandkids are going to be able to
This video S? What is it?
What would that be like for me to see my
grandmother at age 3 or 4 a little ballerina press
that’s just so far from our experience.
Yeah, just mind boggling same with everything that is that
is very inspirational,
which given all the other creepy things that Facebook does.
Maybe there’s some good there’s some good out there and
you know the rest I’m good OK II always thought
it was you know.
100% creepy now, I’m content to believe that it’s you
grade. It’s a trade and you look at anywhere that
you give your data to it is a matter of
making that trade sooner or later,
where you store your emails where you put your photos
where anyone who’s harvesting data about you continuously.
It is a constant decision of do who has this
information and what are they going to do with a
20 years from now when they get acquired so this
is why I’m glad we grew up when we did,
and we can see this thing coming and.
I can kind of coast to a stop and retire
you know just like you set out sideways and go
I see what’s happening now?
I’m going to go ahead and have out on it
have a beer out on the porch and relax,
but Golly I wouldn’t want to grow up 2030,
40 years from now. I think this is to grow
Where you mentioned you mentioned uh side,
so when you’re not it’s not working this is a
complete your sentence when you’re not working?
What do you enjoy?
Oh wow for me, it’s I especially given my Grampa
My dad side, retiring within our dying within a year
when he retired for me the whole thing is retirement.
When I stop working when I close the door on
my home office and I go outta here.
I’m done like I want to practice retirement.
I go goof off. I will go eat at restaurants
read books watch bad TV just basically unplug as much
as I can.
We do a lot of travel so my goal for
2019 was to travel for one month.
Year and then my goal for 2020 is to travel
2 months a year and when I say travel.
I don’t mean like business trips.
I mean, just pure goof off travel.
So we’re getting ready to start in 3 days,
3 days. We fly out too.
I first go to Salt Lake City for user group
and then we’re doing like 2 weeks and tell you
ride 2 weeks in Napa,
California. I just really like to unplug with my wife.
We go off and just go travel at different places
and I love sitting in people watching.
When were there, I don’t go hiking.
I don’t go do anything bigger dramatic.
I just like to sit watch people and Chillax.
So just completely the opposite of what I have to
do during my day job,
which is Super High Tech.
Lots of face time with people heavy in depth analysis
may have 5 o’clock.
It’s or really with me.
It’s like 3 or 4 o’clock.
It’s I’m done, I unplug I watched the dumbest TV
you could imagine.
I watch Big Brother alone amazing race Project Runway really
lowbrow stuff just basically people watching and recovering from my
Interesting no, I mean, it helps to have the kind
of mentally off time to particularly field that we’re in
so it can be very mentally intensive absolutely no because
there’s times. If I’m studying or whatever trying to get
another search or just working on a really tough problem
like my brains are Bush by the end of the
day. Oh yeah, and well in the fact that nobody
comes to me for a good time,
like when they come in my front door quote Unquote
It’s nobody’s like all things are good here.
We just wanted to check in.
No, it is the emergency room surgeon stuff where it’s
on like Donkey Kong.
You know, people are yelling screaming.
This ritis town. We gotta make yourself thanks faster so
it’s never a pleasant experience,
and it’s my job to turn around and make it
as fun and pleasant for them as possible fix the
But at the end of that Wolf I’m just brain
I’m ready to just go sit down somewhere.
I’m not an extrovert. I am a total introvert so
it’s at the end of a day like that I
am done unplug.
Interesting so here’s another complete the sentence,
I think the coolest thing in technology today is.
Serverless so serverless is either a TBS Lambda or Azure
Google has options for this as well.
Where you just pay by the millisecond that your cloud
runs so mesmerized by this as a developer and sysadmin.
I don’t really care about operating systems.
I don’t care about VM sizes.
I don’t care about patching you know,
I just want to upload my code somewhere and have
my code work and that’s kind of the end of
I don’t want to care about how many servers there
I don’t care whether where there located just run the
code when it needs to be run.
And I adore it’s magical.
I don’t want anyone in the audience to think that
I sling code full time anymore.
I have a developer for that Richie Richie writes the
code that involves you write running on servers all over
the place we don’t have to manage where the servers
are. It just frickin works and saying it just works
is of course,
is grossly oversimplifying as you do with anything else in
But it’s so intoxicating to me as a sysadmin to
not have to worry about things like uptime.
Or particular machines. It comes with a cool drawbacks like
the database is the new choke point again.
If I give you a set up where you can
just throw your code up in the cloud and you
Microsoft or Amazon.
Manage is how many places.
It runs how often it runs based on the demand.
That’s coming from your consumers.
Well, if they scale out to a thousand containers all
at once in order to handle you know you’re doing
a Super Bowl sale or something if you scale out
that hard. The database becomes the new junk point again.
So it’s everything old is new again the database still
ends up being the problem,
but it’s really fun for technology.
It is an interesting information in the terms of serverless
The things that traditionally been.
Choke points, or just points of just touch points for
And friction things that stand in between Yuan getting value
to your customers.
It’s just another great example of a few graduate from
You don’t have to know what an operating system is.
You don’t have to know what a container is you
can just say I’m going to upload my cloud.
Microsoft or Amazon or Google is going to just automatically
run this based on conditions that are met via the
It’s just amazing? How much closer.
You can get between having an idea delivering code and
having that code provide business value is fantastic.
Well very cold we haven’t one last complete this sentence
I look forward to the day when I can use
technology to blank.
Truly augment memory II was so excited when Google Glass
came out when Google Glass came out there was only
probably like 5 of us who are really excited.
No, I wasn’t crazy enough to buy one,
but I looked at him like Oh my gosh.
If I could wear a pair of glasses that would.
Show me an overlay of when.
I’ve met someone what we have in common or a
restaurant that I’ve been to a route that I took
if I could just augment my own memory with or
here’s where you left that thing.
You know where did you leave your iPad.
It’s right over here if you could remind me of
things that I knew that to me is just would
be incredibly valuable and I find this so opposite because
when it came out. Google said no no we’re not
going to do face recognition.
All that stuff just way too creepy.
So all we’re going to do is we’re going to
overlay in here things that we think you need.
And look at that that’s the exact opposite of what
I want I don’t want algorithm telling me what I
think I need to know at some point that will
become useful to me. Yes,
if I’m wandering amongst a strange city and I want
to get advice on our restaurant.
For example, right, but right now.
I just want it. I want technology to remind me
of what I knew once and he is just like
you’re showing me.
The video from 8 years ago right?
That’s 1 of my favorite things about stuff like Instagram,
Facebook when it pops up,
and says. Hey guess where your life was 4 years
or recently shown. Hey do you know you’ve known pin
aldave for 8 years now like wow?
I totally didn’t know that I knew that that’s amazing.
I would I would love for that to be the
Post and then the second goal post.
I would love to hit is.
Show me what my friends know if I’m in somewhere
North Carolina and K.
Brian Kelley likes a barbecue place that I’m like OK
That’s something that I should go and try then don’t.
Show me 50,000 reviews from strangers on Yelp ’cause.
We don’t have anything in common.
I want to know why friends knew you were at
the past sub battle because it also gives me away
to feedback time ago.
Hey, I tried that barbeque place you.
Love and I liked it too.
Thanks for if you know it was a really picky
eater rave about this place and yeah.
Just be like Oh, well.
I mean, it, I think it extends the more natural
Conversational ISM I don’t know that’s a word were coming
up with new worst day Andy published.
Frank it’s a license to spelled.
Ah good to know.
It’s just like if anything,
the data is the new oil things like some oil
is much more valuable than others.
There’s some data that is much more valuable to me
because I trust it because I trust the source of
it where there’s all this untrusted source stuff out there
where people are trying to gain the data.
They’re trying to buy great reviews.
For example, they’re trying to shove ads down your throat
to get you to go to a particular barbeque place
things it would be the data is it so valuable
to me. The first goal post is the data that
I knew that I’ve forgotten the second goal post is
data that friends of mine you.
Your things that they came up with and then the
third goal Post would be things like alright.
What did untrusted. Strangers do their untrusted.
Strangers out on Yelp, but it’s funny how technology works
in the exact opposite ways ’cause.
It’s so easy to give us the wisdom of the
crowd first that the wisdom of his bought and sold
that ends up being what we get first,
which is so funny. It’s interesting that you brought it
up like that because years ago,
a friend suggested the concept of data reputation.
Yeah, you know, and I totally that’s that’s exactly where
It’s with trust you know,
I trust my inner circle of friends and Facebook gives
you that option to separate close friends from acquaintances and
you know it would be nice.
If that came into and I think it does play
into the algorithm of what gets shown to you so
I get that totally get that.
What was the book the first book by Cory Doctorow
row now get down and out the Magic Kingdom still
on there for free.
And it was Luffy that was the Currency.
Yes, where you would give credibility to each other.
I mean that there are things that she’s like with
I was excited when Microsoft bought LinkedIn ’cause.
I think there is a trove of data here in
that if I could find people who are experts on
a particular tag through my network.
There’s a value to that to knowing what they know
I don’t want to sell for it.
I just want to be able to go Oh which
blogs did they find interesting?
How can I go down that route.
Or the the one that always drives me crazy is
I’m gonna be in tell you ride.
Colorado for 2 weeks and they are here.
The date ranges who do I know that is either.
Ben there or is going there and it would have
That same time, I don’t want to email everybody in
trying to find that out,
which is make it easy for me to go leverage
that information right there was a startup in DC and
I probably should see what became of them,
but there was social radar and that was kind of
Would be a you know when you go to a
It will find out people.
You know that are either going to be there or
are around you.
Nice oh I see I would love you.
Yeah was dodgeball was one that Google acquired years ago
and that was that was interesting in the same space
and I would love to have more of that trust
and reputation and networking type stuff right in right interesting.
It’s where I would love for technology to go are
we going to get there anywhere near in time.
No, not even close. We are condemned to live in
this nightmare of butts and bites that we have to
deal with today.
But so the next question is share something different about
but we like to keep our clean rating on iTunes.
Hello Andy, we’re going to change up that phrasing,
’cause I tunes is going away.
At some point right can’t believe I to the end
of the world than boys.
That that app is a hot car.
I’m an art an Apple guy in that app is
Oh, it’s term it always has gods.
We tolerate it, I mean,
it’s kind of like the it’s the thing people love
to knock and for company that prides itself on.
Extensively on impressive I have to wonder how iTunes got
through and it was during the jobs era,
too. It’s not like they can say it came up
before after it was yeah,
Or Tim Apple, whatever his last name really is.
Buffalo that was so good that’s something different about myself.
I’m course ’cause. I share everything on Instagram and Facebook
and all those kinds.
Twitter and all that if I had to pick one
It’s probably just that I’m really into restaurants.
I got my start working in hotels and I’ve worked
align it as a line cook in a prep cook.
I truly appreciate how hard it is to craft good
especially repeatable good food. Food comes out looking the same
way every time and I never want to do it
I suck at cooking. I’m just terrible at it and
it’s not that I don’t want to learn.
It’s just that there are so many people out there
who are so good or just phenomenally good and creative
and it’s so nice to be surprised by people who
are good at what they do so.
I think one of the best things that you can
do in a restaurant is you go in and find
a restaurant that does a chef’s tasting menu.
You don’t want to just ask the weight or whatever
you like all order.
Surprise me ’cause the waiter isn’t professional at food in
They’re kind of part timers they’re going to become an
actor or whatever it is.
They’re going to work in big data.
Someday achievements that they wanted to pursue but if you
find a place where the chef is set up a
tasting menu where you don’t have to make any decisions
you just show up and go.
Whatever you want to cook for me.
That’s what I would like to eat you learn so
much about food about the way that you prepare things.
It’s just a wonderful indulgence that is probably my guiltiest
habit is if there’s Replace with a tasting menu.
I’m all in doesn’t matter what it costs.
I want to go see what the chef has done
They’re really proud up so really,
really enjoy that well. I have to share my branch
It’s not an embarrassing one which is surprising will keep
those off the air.
We gotta gotta keep that iTunes rating until I tunes
but I think 2 it speaks to just kind of
guy you’re and it was a few years ago.
We were at a sequel Saturday DC.
An you came around the corner there at the Microsoft
facility and you were pointing your finger at me back
and forth Point Point Point Point have you said.
I’ve been looking for you and it was it had
to have been around 20152016?
When I was changing jobs are really changing companies that
set up a new website using WordPress didn’t know what
I was at break comes around the corner he says.
I saw your website and it sucks at the time
Brent Scott I don’t know.
Tens of thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of email addresses
on a lesser easement collecting like I said regular marketing
and I’m not.
I’m an engineer and I have no talent for marketing
and so the end of the day.
He’s like. Let’s go grab dinner.
There was one of those restaurants was right across the
This what reminders and they serve.
This hogs head. I real real pig head and brand
new about it.
He’s like. Let’s go over this and for the cost
of a really nice meal.
I had the Brent Ozar fix my website,
so headed no longer suck that I use that template
that company is still around.
But it’s in the background now.
Add knows up front. Now I use those same templates
in the same ideas for that.
But big copycat here, but that’s that whole spirit of
just wanting to help.
Yeah, and I so admire that and you know,
and I know you can’t do that,
for everyone. And I was very hard to get it
I needed to help probably more than most,
though, to be fair, so you know it’s one of
those where if you if you know if you know
that you know something or there.
Some quantity of thing that you know you understand how
to do and you can do it in an hour,
2 hours, 3 hours. Whatever it is and you gotta
friend facing that exact same problem where you’re like look
in one hour,
2 hours. I can take 30 hours out of your
we can just knocked it out once and we can
be done with it.
It’s it just feels irresponsible not to do it,
you owe it to people to what’s the fastest way
that I can get this out of your way right
and it’s not like I’m ever going to make a
living as a web consultant.
If not doing that I don’t.
I don’t have that level of knowledge and there are
people who are really good at it.
They charge tens of thousands of dollars or whatever it’s
not like you or I are going to spend that
you know it’s just how do we give each other
a leg up as quickly as possible to make a
real difference in people’s lives.
And, which is the same reason that you know you
end up doing podcasts.
You do user group sessions.
How can you quickly lift people up and give them
an advantage and what it is that they are trying
to do on a daily basis give show people a
light at the end of the tunnel,
you show people? How to handle their problems.
It’s just so empowering it feels fantastic.
I totally agree and paying things forward ’cause you and
I both know Frank all of us,
we learn things from others and now we’re.
I’d say, mostly on the other side of that where
we get to share things or recognize that someone has
more knowledge and expertise that found this is happening more
and more is younger people who really are good at
what they know,
and what they do. But they don’t realize they’re good
They like the confidence. Nobody’s ever told him that you
know they’re making 3035 thousand dollars a year.
Somewhere there being doing amazing work and they don’t realize
They’re not being appreciated and I get a chance to
talk to him and say you know that’s really good.
You should start a block or you know if you
blog about this.
Let me know. And I’ll I’ll put I’ll tweet about
it or whatever and I’ve got you know tens of
You know you can help and I totally get that
and you know it’s just it’s very you know,
I can’t. I can’t do the websites.
I’m not good at it if I had a website
where it gained a little bit of popularity into community.
I thought fine. I’ll hire a web developer to look
at it and I found someone and he looked at
it and he said.
This looks like an engineer built,
it and I’m going to engineer so I thought that
was a compliment and it turns out that’s awesome.
And then there was like Oh,
yeah, OK wait wait wait that’s an insult.
He was right. It was it did look like an
engineer built in so Brent.
I know I know about brentozar.com.
I’m pretty sure that’s where people can learn more about
you is that accurate.
Yes, absolutely I blog. All my technical stuff over at
brentozar.com and it’s where I have all kinds of free
scripts training videos and I would encourage people go over
their head under training go watch all kinds of free
I’ve got for example, how to think like the engine
is my totally free internal.
Course were no sign up required just get in there
and start watching ’cause.
I know when I was on my way up as
a database administrator.
I was just so frustrated with dry books and material
where I’m like I’m poking my eyes out trying to
learn this stuff,
so I tried to build stuff that is fun and
easy accessible for people,
especially when they’re starting out and don’t have any budgets
whatsoever to just get dip your feet wet in databases
and start to get a leg up on your competition.
Other people who are trying to get the same jobs
that you want it yet.
Grated. Yeah, that’s awesome, so audible is a sponsor of
data driven and can you are you into audiobooks if
not can you recommend a good book that’s on dead
trees? Yes, I love’em for road trips and same thing
with planes to whenever I’m on planes.
I just love that just makes the time fly,
especially ’cause. I’m 6 foot 3 and I can’t work
worth a rip on a laptop and a plane just
doggone even in first class.
It’s painful so one of that I’ve loved and I’ve
come back to several times is.
A guide to the good life by William Irvine,
a guide to the good life and it’s about stoicism
and I’m going to hit you with the toughest thing
about stoicism in terms of the philosophy.
When you wake up in the morning and you’re brushing
whatever it is, you do in order to get ready
put on deodorant.
Whatever please do that as well visualize the most negative
thing that could happen to you today.
And it sounds so terrible and awkward Oh my gosh.
Why would I want to start by thinking about,
very quickly with forces you to re priority reprioritize?
What truly bad? Is is the worst thing that could
happen to you,
that you’re going to die.
Nope Nope ’cause That’s quick you’re not going to notice
What about someone close to you dying?
What about someone dying of a long slow painful death.
What about having an earthquake and being trapped under a
building for 2436 hours and boy does that sound somber
like it’s a terrible way to end a podcast,
but if you think about.
That and if you seriously think about that in the
What what would be really bad today.
Then 2 things you start to one you start to
think about how can I take better advantage of the
people in my life to say.
I love you for being here.
Thank you for being here today.
You know, let’s enjoy this time together that we have
’cause it can all end tomorrow.
It’s went sooner later going to happen.
And 2 when bad things happen to you during the
course of the day.
You realize they’re not that bad you like also my
computer crash life goes on.
It’s not like I was trapped in an earthquake you
know in a building or something.
So it really helps you re prioritize what’s important in
not take things for granted as much and it turns
out that the Greeks were onto this thousands of years
It’s just that. We really wouldn’t think about that in
When were all positive visualize success.
Think about yourself, winning the lottery like well.
Hey that doesn’t really work in be.
It makes you idolize things that aren’t really relevant.
You don’t need $5,000,000 to be happy.
You can be happy with the people around you and
you should take advantage of that on a daily basis.
So I think a guide to the good life is
the best book for getting started with stoicism.
But that’s good. That’s good.
That’s good to know it’s to system also was the
prevailing philosophy of Marcus Aralias.
Yes, being in Emperor of Rome so.
Works out, OK at that it works,
Trope really well for some people their Instagram accounts with
quotes from him quotes from other stoic philosophers,
which is funny. They’re not quite as Instagram friendly in
this day and age is save doctor,
Phil but it’s still fun to have around in your
world right right there’s actually an app for the Android
that I have called stoicism.
Anile screenshot some of the quotes in there and put
on Instagram and tag.
It would like stomach Saturday,
apparently that’s a thing Stoic Saturdays.
Yeah, oddly enough, there’s you know,
there’s an underground cult of like not Instagram models on
So it’s interesting. It’s interesting way of life.
It’s not quite as morbid or is.
A Gothic as imagine worst thing that can happen to
but yeah, I mean, it.
It definitely helps you reframe things.
Yes, and not take things as much for granted.
It’s absolutely wonderful well. You mentioned some really good side
effects of that and II can see that I can
see that and it’s a interesting to look into that
you mentioned another book earlier Adam Savages book.
Oh, yes every tools are hammer,
OK will put a link to prove.
Course Cory Doctorow’s one as well.
I don’t know that that’s available via audible or not,
and now I want to go and look at my
other now immediately want to go in and open up
the rest of my books just to go see but
of course, my phone is in the other room,
so that’s there’s interesting audio at Andy and I’ve been.
They had heard a lot about is that called Titan,
it’s about the rise of John Rockefeller.
Uh so it’s a commitment but it’s very even from
the first couple hours interesting to find out about his
kind of his childhood his relationship with his father,
which was very bizarre’s father was kind of a bizarre
But that way. I mean could you say that about
all of our father’s?
You could say that about all of our father’s really
true but not like goofy dad joke type like this
guy was one of those people that would sell like
magic elixirs in the back of a wagon and like
run from town to town.
Just like a few steps ahead of the law.
I like it. I like it.
Imagine you know like the one of the richest people.
That’s ever lived his dad was bat.
Or maybe it’s easy to imagine I don’t know.
Yeah, yeah. Now it all comes back to big data
to some extent that’s what?
A lot of us are doing these days.
All we got this amazing thing for you this product.
It’s in the cloud right right right right?
Well, it kind of comes full circle like you know
you hear about kind of the problems that Standard Oil
You know the kind of the chain of consequences from
what they what they did.
It comes full circle if you look at the end
of the talk of antitrust and breaking up.
Facebook breaking up Amazon. I mean,
it’s just it’s kind of like that circle of history,
is like Oh. Yeah, like some of the things that
they’re talking about when they when they interact with lobbyists
and politicians and site,
you can easily just slap a 20 on the year
that that happened.
Now, now now now that you bring up Standard Oil
so there’s 1 other thing I have to say which
is one of my favorite discoveries ever on Wikipedia.
There’s This guy Thomas Midgley Junior,
who’s responsible for both leaded gasoline and freon,
which are 2 of the biggest environmental disasters.
Both leaded gasoline an freon cut all kinds of blowback
and there’s a great quote on his Wikipedia page that
Midgley had quote more impact on the atmosphere than any
other single Organism. In Earth’s history unquote world,
not sure that’s a good thing.
But if you high school,
yearbook and it said. I want to make a difference.
Yes, mostly OK. One thing before we go friend.
I want to point out that if if you’re OK
I’d like to point out your personal oh.
Thank you, Sir forgot me OZAR dot me.
And one of my favorite things to go check every
is his epic life quests.
My life quest. He’s got a bunch of stuff over
there and there’s actually there’s a surprising amount of technical
I’d say, most of its technical but there’s stuff on
there about business and some of the like.
I was talking about every week or some of the
things that I send people to.
I just had because I’m working on my website,
The Post from. 2 years ago,
word WordPress Plugins, I used to sell training,
yeah, and that’s a good post.
I’ve come back to it.
A bunch of times because I’ve tried new things on
and so I also have online training that I sell
an it’s a great site to jumpstart people can’t believe
I went through the whole podcast without mentioning anything about
it, yeah, or not me.
I have my epic lifequest up there,
which is I try to turn my life into an
adventure game just like you would with.
Or any role online role playing game,
whatever and give myself levelups whenever I achieved 5 tasks
that were hard for me to go achieve if you
start tracking that stuff,
it really helps you focus on am I making progress
in this year of my life or did I just
kind of let things slip into a job.
I’m not happy with in a relationship.
I’m not happy with and not spending my time taking
care myself go get out there.
I mean, we only sounds like the middle life crisis
kind of thing,
but we only get one chance so go for it,
so true. And at it reminds me to Frank Scott
this thing that he I learned from everybody right.
I just I Snarf up all the good ideas out
there and try to apply Franks.
New year is All Saints Day November,
1st so that’s a thing.
He started do it and we’re counting down right now,
breaking I communicate where 95 days from one November 2019.
Yeah, and the reason I do that is because.
With the real New Year this is so much going
on people recovering from the holidays.
Whereas this was kind of this started in 2016,
which personally was a horrible year for Maine.
Looking back, it, actually was kind of like I’ll look
back on that is like that was the year that.
I kind of got my head on straight.
But like I had a concussion.
The cat died lost my job.
My mom was sick. It’s like a country music song
and so like I was just like that’s it.
This year is just been horrible.
I’m just going to kind of reset clear the New
and it looks like crap Halloween and ever since.
Then things have been my outlook has been better and
ever since then.
I kind of use that as an opportunity.
’cause both my kids have birthdays in December,
so like. December is kind of like just.
All out. Yeah, madness rave just chaos like the second
half of December is just like sure just don’t schedule
it’s like that bad and so it kind of does
this opportunity to kind of think about well did.
I hit the goals. I wanted to kind of gives
me like 10 month year and kind of like 2
months of like analyzing what I want to do what
I want to do next year that sort of thing.
It it’s worked out well for the last few years,
so I love it. It’s Jean.
Thank you and you know what the funniest part is.
I bet if you wrote a book on that,
like you know, so here’s the technique that I used
you would sell copies. This is how productivity books.
Get started checking on on back on the book thing.
The only book I’ve ever written Brent Les up look
You know, we all make mistakes,
we all. That was before,
in November, 1st many, many November,
1st ago, it was, I can kind of like and
I’ll talk about like silver light and stuff,
and I’m like well, I could laugh about right now.
But it was kind of like the Bell bottoms of
Yes of Technology.
Yeah, it looked like a good idea at the time
it seemed to make sense at the time and I
At that like we’re making decisions just like that right
We’re going to look back and go Oh my God.
Are you kidding. Cosmos DB what we’re we’re we’re just
gonna die in like no that’s true that’s true.
So you reminded me of one thing before we wrap
up is you know in this age of self driving
You were talking about you know your life was like
a bad country song there.
Frank we’re going to have self driving pickups and there
will be country songs about the pick up leaving the
Musk is working on a pickup truck model for Tesla.
There you go, he’s working on anything that will get
That’s where he’s working now.
You wanna you wanna blender fridge.
Alright so as long as we talk about.
08 long as we’re talking about now the word the
country music and all that so you know what happens
when you play country music backwards back you get your
truck back you get your dog back that’s funny.
List this is a fantastic show,
I started saying a minute ago.
I’m sorry. I cut you off there,
but thank you so much for making time I know
you’ve got a very busy schedule,
it was, it was awesome.
I’ll let Frank do his rap-up.
Well thanks a lot nicer over here,
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